Does anyone know of a good way to apply monokote OVER monokote? Air bubbles under the top layer is the issue - is there some easy way to do this w/o getting all the little air bubbles? Thanks. Scott - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Scott Covey Scott@scottcovey.com Scott, Two books from Model Airplane News, "Covering Model Airplanes Vols. 1 and 2" by Faye Stilley. The guy is a master with Monocote, and he explains how to do it very easily. Each book can be read in an evening or two, and IMHO, they are the best books on the subject out there. Good luck with your covering... Mike mkwhite@mindspring.com Scott, The above subject matter has always been a mystery to me. I have seen great covering jobs with Monokote. When asked how they did it, they always calm up. A few WRAM shows ago, Faye Stilley conducted a covering demo. I asked the same question you did. He basically said read my books, but added he does not cover over Monokote. He puts one base color down & removes ( by cutting ) the portions of this & adds ( by tacking ) his color scheme. I found this odd since one would be cutting into the balsa skins & impacting the integrity of the wing structure. I have tried to poke small holes in the base color before applying the color scheme over such , but still I have small bubbles too. I heard of using soap & water to apply the color scheme & rub out all bubble. Allow to dry overnight & when apply a small amount of heat with an iron. I have not tried this, but I know ironing down covering over covering does not result in a car show finish. If you find out any info let me know. I would think maybe the building professionals can provide some insight on this subject.... Regards, GARY DUDEK Email: dudekgl@pweh.com If I can add my 2 cents worth on monokoting. I have won 4 past WRAM shows with monokoted pattern planes. Forget about applying monokote over monokote! Pinholes, soap, chemicals are totally unneccessary. To a acheive that showroom finish, you still have to go back to the basics, surface preparation. Protect the wood during the building phase and repair all dings as they occur. Final sanding needs to be done with 200 followed by 400 followed by 600 grade paper, the wood should be as smooth as the proverbial baby's well you know. I fully agree with piecing your pattern together using about 3/16 inch overlaps. Yes the base material can be cut on the surface of the wing but I prefer to make a pattern out of brown paper, the stuff you mask the plane with for painting. The pattern is taped to the monokote and cut with a sharp blade and straight edge. Expect to go through several dozen blades to cover a plane!! Place small pencil marks on the wood to line up your piece. After tackragging both the wood and monokote, put the piece into position. My method is to use the iron to tack the edges down and then use the gun and a wad of cotton to seal the rest. You need to leave an open edge to blow the air out. A little practice is required to perfect the technique, but basically start at the far end from the open edge, heat until shrunk and rub lightly with the cotton wad while still hot, pushing the air toward the open end, you will see some of the wood pattern show through but you must press it down (lightly) to adhere it. If you just shrink the monikote you will really get that showroom finish but it will wrinkle. Continue to the open edge, which ideally would be the trailing edge, but sometimes must be the leading edge or wing tip. In that case make sure you have plenty of overlap and pull and heat with the gun and then finish with the iron. This edge must be cut on the wing. As long as you use a straight edge and very sharp #11 blade with just the weight of the knife, you will not cut into the wood or underlying monokote. The trim colors are also made from patterns and adhered to the edges of the base monokote. This does take more time but the results are worth it. As an additional benifit, you get very little bubbling or wrinkles later on, and any that do appear can usually be reattached with the gun and cotton, unless you trapped air under the monokote, in which case a pin hole would need to be made. I have an Atlanta in my basement, covered with dust but no wrinkles. I am not even sure what year this is from! Try it you will like it. -Stuart Chale Hello Scott, Do just as Stu tells 'ya. That ATLANTA *has* to date from '86, and I think I remember it at DCRC, that year. The way stu told you to steamroller the air out with a cotton wad works (even for me). After watching his technique at a club meeting, I did an LA-1 wing that is now eleven years old. I just gave the plane away, but the wing has no wrinkles. The planes second stab was quickly covered the "normal" way: it was a prune. -Dean Pappas Spray a thin solution of water and dish detergent over the base layer. Float the trim into place and heat gently. The water goes to steam and controls the temperature. Just PATIENTLY work the steam out from under the trim piece. Sometimes you'll need to go back and re-seal the edges in a day or so, but this will make it easier to work all the bubbles out. Steve Byrum Scott, I don't apply Monocote over itself except for a very small overlap = (1/8"). I layout the pattern on the wing/stab... with a very fine line fiber tip = pen (not marker). Then I use tracing paper to make patterns for each = element to be covered allowing for the 1/8" overlap. I start covering = with lightest color like white or yellow on bottom then top. Next apply = the succeedingly darker colors. When ironing the overlap, be sure that your iron isn't too hot. I use an = antique Topflight iron with a nearly all cotton infant size baby sock = and run the iron at about 80-90% wide open. I also use the same setting = to iron on the panel. I use a bare iron to seal material around TE or = into aileron cutout. I iron penstripes with the socked iron. Notes:=20 1. Using the fine line pen, I can see the line through the white/yellow = (barely). I mark the overlap point on the white/yellow and use this as a = guide when applying the next color. After the covering is complete, I = use alcohol to clean up the pen marks. 2. The fine line pen is less likely to make dents in soft balsa than a = pencil. If you use a very soft pencil (.7 mm drafting pencil with B, 2B = lead.) In either case be sure that you don't apply much pressure. Good luck. I'm sure that you will get many good suggestions, but you = will have to see what works for you. Ken Blackwell KBlackw@snowhill.com Try setting your iron to no more than 250 degrees. The bubbles are caused by excessive heat. Rich Fletcher